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  Shunning: Reasoning With JW's

  by The Fall Guy in

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  perhaps this line of questioning could agitate a jw's thinking.

  it can't hurt.. you: is shunning a biblical teaching?.

  jw: yes.. you: so it must be god's law?.

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  The Fall Guy

  Perhaps this line of questioning could agitate a JW's thinking. It can't hurt.

  YOU: Is shunning a Biblical teaching?

  JW: Yes.

  YOU: So it must be God's law?

  JW: Yes.

  YOU: If it's God's law, can it be disregarded by some JW's, but not others?

  JW: No, of course not, all Christians must obey God's laws.

  YOU: So God's laws don't depend on where a person lives?

  JW: Huh????????

  YOU: Well, according to your religion, if a JW who lives at home with their parents and siblings gets disfellowshipped, their family association continues as normal. But if that individual later moved into an apartment next door, they would be regarded as if they were dead. Can you show me in the Bible where this discriminatory "law of God" is laid out?
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  Think about this! All the signs of the last days from Matt.24. That jw's point to,  happened in the 1st half of the last century!

  by nowwhat? in

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  and now it's 2018 and we are still here.

  that's like saying back in 1930 the events of the civil war show we are in the last days!

  it has now been that long!.

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  The Fall Guy

  JW's should take the time to examine Mr. Clarke's 19th century commentary and explanation of the verse by verse fulfilment Matthew 24.

  https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/acc/matthew-24.html

  Perhaps they will then admit that when Jesus said the great tribulation would not occur again, he must have meant it!
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  Need advice/opinions about DF Husband who woke up

  by Whynot in

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  my husband was df 3 years ago.

  i still attended meetings but not regularly and for the past 10 months i have not attended any at all.

  my husband wanted to get reinstated until maybe a few months ago when i started to help him to wake up.

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  The Fall Guy

  WHYNOT, it sounds very much that you feel as if you are confronted with a "lesser of two evils" choice.

  Think in terms of the rest of your lives before you decide which road you choose to go down.

  Most of us here now realise that our "loving friends in the truth" - the only "true Christians" on planet earth - were only our friends as long as we subjected ourselves to the cult leaders and their slave-masters.

  The best advice I would offer is this; get out into your part of the world and discover new things to do, then you'll find new interests and new friends and acquaintances - sincere people who will actually respect you for being an individual. I wish you both a peaceful journey on your road.
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  Introduce myself

  by John Moro in

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  dear,everybody,how are you?my name is john moro i join jevoah wittness.com this year 2018 in april in order to be jevoah wittness i live in yokine wa australia,i like to meet friends and share jevoah message to evangelize the word.thank you may god bless.

  yours sincerely john moro.

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  The Fall Guy

  Welcome John.

  Question JW teachings here - you'll get truthful answers.

  Question JW teachings at the Kingdom Hall - you'll be treated very differently.

  I wish you well.
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  THEY act like the ones who are hurt??!!

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  it really amazes me when jws act like we are hurting them!.

  many of us have found that if we stop associating with them for valid reasons, they act all upset and hurt that we would be "so cruel as to limit our association or cut them off".

  i know of friends here on the forum who have been told by parents that they "will shun them if they leave jehovah" , and yet when the shoe is on the other foot and our awake friends shun them first, the parents cry and bemoan the situation and say how "cruel it is to deprive them of their company".

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  The Fall Guy

  STUCK - "I know of friends here on the forum who have been told by parents that they "will shun them if they leave Jehovah."

  I was was once in the home of the Secretary (elder then, not now)) when he warned his 14 year old son that if he ever "left the truth" he would be put out of the house!

  Guess what? Both of the ex-elder's children (now early 20's) have since "left the truth," got worldly partners, and are still at home. Wonderful to see that parental love overcame the Borg mentality.
  
  
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  There is No Way Out For Me

  by Addison0998 in

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  i have come to the conclusion that there is no way for me to ever leave.

  although i have some friends at work, my whole social structure are witnesses.

  even if i move congregations, my parents have contacts everywhere who will tell them if i’m not active.

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  The Fall Guy

  Addison, just read your heartfelt dilemma, but It's not all as bad as it appears to be.

  You have 2 choices by which you can keep your family - either carry on faking it as an active JW, (intolerable!) or, start to fake it as a JW who is having serious spiritual/psychological problems.

  Miss field service and meetings at your own pace and become inactive as soon as you can. The latter option - if you perform well - may get you the sympathy vote from family members and friends.
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  Can a DF person testify at a judicial committee?

  by JeffT in

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  this may be a plot point in a novel i'm working on.

  will a judicial committee take testimony from a df'd or da person?

  i could see them wanting to get dirt from any possible source, on the other hand i can picture somebody saying "he's df'd everything he says will be a lie.

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  The Fall Guy

  @ Anders Andersen - "During the JC there is not much fact finding to do other than quizzing the accused to see if they are repentant."

  I used to believe this "fact", and actually told non-JW's that only unrepentant sinners got D/F'd. Repentance is a secondary issue in the minds of the kangaroo court.

  We now know that the wolves judge if a person's repentance is acceptable - based on whether the individual is "favoured" by the leader/s in the pack.
  
  
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  Mother is terrified over talks of peace.

  by Searching in

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  just spoke with my mother about the summit for north and south korea, her face turned a ghastly pale and she refused to talk to me about it afterwards.

  i know exactly what is on her mind, and i'm not sure if i can say or do anything to assuage her fears about this being a fulfillment of prophecy.

  any suggestions on what i could perhaps tell her to try and steer her from her line of thinking?

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  The Fall Guy

  Or you could just ask your mother why she is being so "presumptuous" by trying to prove Christ's statement false: (Matthew 24:44) “....the Son of man is coming at an hour that you do not think to be it.”

  Thief in the night, no man knows the day or the hour, etc., etc.
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  Mother is terrified over talks of peace.

  by Searching in

  1. jw
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  just spoke with my mother about the summit for north and south korea, her face turned a ghastly pale and she refused to talk to me about it afterwards.

  i know exactly what is on her mind, and i'm not sure if i can say or do anything to assuage her fears about this being a fulfillment of prophecy.

  any suggestions on what i could perhaps tell her to try and steer her from her line of thinking?

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  The Fall Guy

  Do a Google search and compile a list of all the "peace talks" concluded by enemy nations during your mother's lifetime, and then ask her why the Korean peace talks are any different. That might cure her JW speculation.
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  Wt video this week big problem.

  by poopie in

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  problem with this week's video on counsel.

  why did they emphasize the counsel and not the fact that those who were watching movie should have followed christ counsel at mathew 5 go to your brother instead they ratted on the guy to an elder and let him do dirty work.wow just totally ignore jesus words..

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  The Fall Guy

  JW mentality is conditioned to respond just like the scumbags of Nazi Germany, communist USSR, and the McCarthy witch-hunts - rat on anyone you can, and boost yourself in the eyes of the hierarchy as being "loyal" to the cause.